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Seth Rogen Calls Entourage Creator 'Asshole,' 'Moron'
In one of its typically late-to-the-game, random cultural broadsides, the writers of Entourage went after Seth Rogen in last night’s episode, calling his “ugliness…oddly fascinating” in a debate over whether the actor could land a Katherine Heigl-type in real life. One might assume that the affable Rogen would shrug off the insult with a friendly, Fozzie-ish chuckle, but they don’t call where Rogen’s at a “fighting weight” for nothing! Behold, his amazing response when asked about the incident for E!’s Daily 10:
“Yeah, those guys are assholes. I actually ran into Matt…Kevin Dillon in a Starbucks. And he’s like ‘you know, I’ve got to kind of apologize because apparently the guy who created our show doesn’t like you so much.’ And I said ‘well I have reason to believe because I think [showrunner] Doug Ellin is a moron from all I can understand so it makes sense he doesn’t like me.’ And I’ve kind of said some disparaging things about the show. Although in our defense, [producer] Mark Wahlberg called us misogynistic in an interview, so I think they kind of started that…It’s on. Luckily I never have and never plan on watching Entourage.”
We would eagerly anticipate a rebuttal from Ellin, but we know how foreign the idea of creating conflict is to the writers of Entourage.
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Posted 20 Jul 2009, 5:25 PM
Rogen: 1, Ellin: -1
Posted 10 Aug 2009, 11:38 PM
Seth is just pissed that his idea for a similar show got rejected by the HBO execs. He's bitter. For a so called comic who makes a living talking smack he sure is being a little vag about this. Entourage is a classic and will go down in history as such. Plus, we all know that none of his characters could have gotten down with any of his leading ladies. That's what makes it appealing.... a regular dude, broke, getting down with a hottie. Seth, I wouldn't mess with Wahlberg and team. They will eat you for lunch. LOL
Posted 20 Jul 2009, 5:43 PM
I was surprised Entourage was even going there.
Ms. Meadow Soprano should've asked that her character be excused from the discussion. She can't be burning bridges.
Posted 20 Jul 2009, 6:00 PM
And 'Family Guy' was just debating his comedy chops. Rough.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 4:10 PM
Actually, Seth Rogen did his own voice on Family Guy, so he was definitely in on that joke. That shows he doesn't mind poking fun at himself, which makes this apparent "beef" between Ellin and him seem all the more real.
Posted 20 Jul 2009, 7:11 PM
Ellin & Rogen, circa 1996
Ellin, age 28, writes and directs Phat Beach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hid6KidysU
Rogen, age 13, does stand up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-aZogWeiyU
Posted 20 Jul 2009, 7:19 PM
It wasn't the nicest thing to say on part of Entourage, but they have a point. Heigl even said that in real life the Knocked Up coupling wouldn't have happened.
Posted 20 Jul 2009, 11:36 PM
A cute guy with a sense of humor, decently thick hair, and a penchant for reefer? Heigl should be so lucky.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 12:36 AM
Glad someone said it.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 9:01 PM
Yep. I'll smoke a bowl with him and watch some Venture Brothers with him any day! :D
I don't get why they are saying he's "ugly". He...and many other actors now (can't say this for actresses) are what the majority looks like. I mean seriously....how many guys in normal American towns look like Brad Pitt???
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 6:12 AM
The funny thing is, both Doug Ellin and Seth Rogen's bodies of work present each of them as sexist dude's dudes with hearts of gold, so maybe they should just bury the hatchet.
Granted, any sexism or female objectification in Rogen scripted/produced films (the period blood scene in Superbad, the Rosie Perez character in Pineapple Express, the general romantic conflict in Knocked Up) is more abstract than Entourage's general T & A fest, but the common thread is there.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 8:04 AM
"We would eagerly anticipate a rebuttal from Ellin, but we know how foreign the idea of creating conflict is to the writers of Entourage."
And that's what we call a zing!
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 8:49 AM
I'd fuck him. And Turtle. I guess I have a weakness for cuddly bears.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 2:07 PM
yeah, but i can guarantee you dont look like katherine heigl.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 3:46 PM
He tries to every Saturday night when he dresses up like her!
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 3:48 PM
What, as the next Kirstie Alley - about to blow up into fattiness at any moment?
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 7:42 PM
Damn straight I don't! Old No. 7 would strangle me with his mustache if I did.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 3:46 PM
I must be the only guy alive who finds Katherine Heigl wildly unappealing. I've never gone for the shrill, angry, castrating type.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 5:41 PM
Same here dude
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 9:59 AM
Same here... AND, I still find Angelina Jolie more attractive then Megan Fox.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 3:52 PM
Watching 'Entourage' in Season 6 is like eating a mildly filling but tasteless cupcake. It's not disagreeable, but you wonder why you did it in the first place.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 5:55 PM
So... it's on par with all of Rogen's stuff.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 3:56 PM
I, for one, am hopelessly attracted to the shrill, angry, castrating type...when they're gorgeous.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 4:04 PM
Okay, what I want to know is could these men be happy with a cute, cuddly teddy bear of a woman with a sense of humor and a heart of gold?
Or would they drop a sweet and faithful lady for the first bombshell who flutters her lashes?
If they would, and they do...
They aren't worth any girl's time, gorgeous or not.
Why shouldn't they be pursuing the funny, smart sweet-natured girls? Why does physical beauty seem to be the chief desirable trait for women? I mean, I thought we were in the 21st century, aren't we?
sigh
Its just sad that we seem to gauge men more by their personality, intelligence and humor, and for women its simply about sexy they are.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 4:37 PM
It's a fucking movie. Why would they cast an ugly girl over a pretty one? You sound a little bitter
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 5:45 PM
Because she has better comedic timing and is a better actress, not just good eye candy?
Why should they cast a less attractive man over a more attractive one? Hm...
Your swearing makes you sound like you're the bitter one.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 6:49 PM
Because the point of the movie is an unattractive, goofy stoner gets an attractive, successful woman pregnant?
Tell me this. Why are all movies where the unattractive guy gets the girl comedies? Hmm?
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 7:29 PM
David, the better question is why there are little to no movies about unattractive goofy women getting with a hot guy in comparison. And the answer is, quite obviously, institutionalized sexism.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 6:13 AM
Seems to me like every movie from the '80s to the early '90s is a movie about some "ugly" woman getting a "hot guy". John Waters?
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 4:02 PM
Yes, I forgot, clearly John Waters represents the majority of mainstream cinema.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 7:26 PM
Wow, both the "it's just a movie" and "you sound bitter" arguments in one post? Double fail.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 5:03 PM
You're right. It IS sad. I had a girl-friend once say, "If you're going to fall in love, you may as well fall in love with a rich guy," which I believe was a reference to a cliche (that I'd never heard before). I, of modest means, was a little offended.
I guess my point is that I wouldn't go around talking up the "more enlightened female" angle, if I were you. There are plenty of guys that, once past the breasts, prefer women of solid character. ;)
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 5:11 PM
@Mandamoo Cause that's just evolutionary biology. Men want a hot, fit chick and women want a powerful, high status guy.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 9:07 AM
I am so sick of douchebags using Ev Psych to excuse their douchebaggery.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 7:14 PM
Uh, it's fucking science. He just stated facts, he didn't try to justify anything.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 4:09 PM
I enjoy Rogen's comedies, but he just needs to treat these clowns like the irrelevant slobs that they are, ignore them. When someone asks him 'what do you think about entourage', he just needs to say 'what the hell is that?'. Pretend like those ass clowns don't even exist.
Entourage, isn't that a little gay anyway? A bunch of grown men being 'Best Friends for Life', what do they do, sit around and blow each other? Fags.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 4:48 PM
how about we just leave it at their work, and the Entourage crew are just not as smart?
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 5:26 PM
"We would eagerly anticipate a rebuttal from Ellin, but we know how foreign the idea of creating conflict is to the writers of Entourage."
Great line!
Entourage is terribly written, and consequently boring. No character development, similar "plot" themes rehashed over and over again, etc.
A shame, because such a premise holds a lot of promise.
Anyway, great zing. The show's writers suck.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 8:59 PM
that's a pretty funny zing, although I wouldn't know.
I'm too busy enjoying Seth Rogen's movies to watch overrated tv shows
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 6:51 PM
WRONG. The whole premise is that a fat, tubby guy (Rogen, casted on PURPOSE), lands a woman way out of his league (Heigl, again, casted on PURPOSE). The basic Ugly guy gets Hot girl formula. You can subjectively debate whether Rogen is fat or Heigl is hot, but the fact of the matter is, they were casted specifically for their respective Fat/Hot roles.
Your observational mockery makes you look like an egotistical cretin.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 7:01 AM
How astute. Sounds like a typical judgemental, over-indulged modern citizen here; chances are this person weighs more than Rogen, yet is calling him fat. He's not really that overweight. And Heigl is not that hot. Those are facts of the matter in most people's minds, so you're an idiot. Maybe he was cast to be the 'average' guy, not necessarily the 'fat' guy. I love how some people think that they know exactly how a movie was written or they know what some famous person is thinking. You're probably one of those who gets on news forums and claims that you know exactly what's going on in Afghanistan right now cuz you just read the wikipedia article.
Your textual diarrhea makes you look like a dull-witted horse's ass.
Posted 24 Jul 2009, 3:07 PM
I'm not so sure about that. I think the casting revealed a deeper issue with Apatow. Casting for personal reasons, not what's best to engage the audience with the story. Heigl falling physically for say, Jason Segel, only to find out later he's a doper underachiever, would have made a lot more sense.
Don't get me wrong, 'Knocked Up' was funny. But the one problem with the movie was the idea that Heigl would be physically attracted enough to Rogen to take him home from a bar to her sister's house. And that's central to the plot.
And I'm predicting you'll see a repeat of sorts with 'Funny People'. An older comedian would make a lot more sense than Adam Sandler. It's counter-intuitive given Sandler's age and other things he's done. Someone like Chevy Chase or Bill Murray would have made more sense. But...Sandler is personal friends with Apatow.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 8:21 PM
Hey Seth (not that you are even reading this),
You are being talked about again. Congrats! I think it is all funny. Entourage is great, and your movies are generally funny. Why piss and moan about some fake characters in some fake show talking about you. Try not to loose perspective and touch with reality. Enjoy your fame and enjoy the fact that you are now part of pop culture.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 8:51 PM
@Ginger... rockin. Deadly rockin. Win.
Posted 21 Jul 2009, 9:10 PM
Maybe I AM a bit bitter. I am bitter on behalf of my single sisters who buy into this crap and think that they have to be "pretty" to have any value.
And for that matter, women who only value men for the status they can give them are pretty sad too. Let's face it: choosing a mate primarily based on "evolutionary instinct" may not be the way to go now that we've mastered fire and infant mortality has dropped somewhat, y'think?
How about finding someone who is visually appealing to you, but also (and more importantly?) shares your values?
Okay okay- I'm being silly.
I understand that this probably isn't the BEST forum for a sociology debate...I mean, it is just a movie board. It was just the concept of the article that bothered me. That she was "out of his league" and that was purely based on her physical attractiveness.
Meh. Sorry guys- Rant over. Go back to yer ogling.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 7:59 AM
Mandamoo:
Sorry, we judge with our eyes, then our ears, and after that our willingness to tolerate a woman's personality is proportional to A: how confident we are that we could easily find another woman and B: how hot you are.
Women seem to judge based on a far more expansive formula. There's our social standing, ability to provide, charm, fashion sense, and other factors. You women are just as judgmental of appearance. Almost no woman finds a shorter man attractive, for one.
The only real difference between men and women in the attraction/dating scene is that women quite possibly feel a greater need to find someone (and compromise in their selection) where as men largely do not. Women invest a lot more into a relationship anyway, considering they're always risking getting pregnant. Since male ability to attract mates isn't entirely based on physical appearance, we can hope to improve ourselves (beyond hitting the gym) where as once women get themselves fit and dolled up, that's their limit.
Neither side of the coin is very nice. With women, improving their attractiveness is a lot easier than with men. On the other hand, women are far more subject to the evolutionary hand God dealt them.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 10:31 AM
While i agree with most of what you are say something that i find interesting is how you used evolution and God in the same sentence.
"women are far more subject to the evolutionary hand God dealt them."
Priceless.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 4:04 PM
While I am sick and tired of Ev Psych being used as an excuse for everything, it is possible to believe in both evolution and God.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 12:20 AM
Doug Ellin is an EGOMANIAC! He can't stomach if someone says something true about his crappy show. People are entitled to their opinion and mine is that entourage sucks! Hopefully it will be off the air soon so we can stop wasting time writing about them. Oh and pretty ballzy to have the worst looking guy on the show (turtle) making that very comment. I have a feeling the majority will take Seth over that show any day!
TEAM SETH
ALL THE WAY!!
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 4:08 AM
I thought the comment in entourage was dead on as to the Seth Rogen from Knocked Up. Forget his appearance, fat, sloppy, can't dance, one move (the dice). What he really has going for himself (not) is that he is unemployed, an illegal alien, no money, smokes pot way too much (the 60/70s called they want their bong back), lives in a trash house with a bunch of guys, and worst, his long term ambition is to create a movie nudity sex site (which makes no sense because his group would have known about Mr. Skin from years of surfing the internet for porn).
In my experience, no hot, professional woman would go for a guy like this even if he was attractive. And that was the "guy" being dissed on Entourage. Rogen looked normal in Superbad so he is not ugly and he can choose not to be fat.
Michael
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 9:12 AM
Exaaactly. What offends me most about these types of movies is not that the men are not conventionally attractive. It's that they are also complete losers and man-children with no morals whatsoever. And the men in the movie who act like actual adults should are called "whipped," "boring," or "pussies." An we are supposed to root for the former to get the girl (who is usually both hot and "normal" compared to the guy) while we root for the latter to "grow a pair" and act like a buffoon. It's a terrible message.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 4:28 AM
Entourage is a wonderful combination of boring and stupid.. I couldn't watch 5 minutes of it.
Seth Rogan's movies are ok, some hit and misses; I didn't laugh once during knocked up and pineapple express was funny until it turned in to an action movie. BUT I actually look forward to watching a movie he is in again, whereas I would wholeheartedly try to avoid anything new coming from the "writer" of entourage.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 5:19 AM
I'd fuck Seth Rogen - and I'm straight. Seriously though, "funny" is way sexier than "sexy".
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 6:46 AM
Maybe I'm missing something, Entourage just seems like a bunch of douchebags..being douchebags. No thanks.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 1:46 PM
Well then, "Entourage" is meeting its mandate - it's at TV show about Hollywood afterall, which is full of douchebags being douchebags.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 7:50 AM
When I read the headline I thought Rogen was saying that simply because the show sucks. Turns out it's because they made fun of him. What a wuss.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 1:48 PM
Seth needs to chill - he should be celebrating the fact he is now a pop culture icon. Has he been insulted on The Simpsons yet?
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 2:52 PM
I have to say that most people miss the obvious about the situation in Knocked Up. Under normal circumstances would a girl like Heigl and a guy like Rogen end up together, probably not. However, if you throw booze and then a baby into the mix then I have to imagine that anyone would try and make it work even if they did end up as just friends. I really don't think Rogen is "ugly" maybe his look is not Hollywood hunk but I like that he doesn't look plastic or fake. I like that he has an air about him that says "this is what I look like and i am ok with that." Confidence is sexy, not plastic surgery and eating disorders. I love Rogen's movies and find Entourage to be nothing more then shallow bullshit that focus way to much on men being douchebags with women who are as shallow as a kiddie swimming pool.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 4:10 PM
I think the problem so many people have with this movie is that it's not just one movie--it exists in the context of hundreds of other movies and TV shows about "ugly" (whether actual or imagined) men getting with hot (again actual or imagined) women, whereas the number of movies and shows in which the gender is reversed is much smaller in comparison. For every "She's All That" there are about twenty "Knocked Ups." And it seems to me that this is based on a sort of sense of entitlement men have toward attractive women. I know, it's just a movie, but the media does effect how we think. I'm not one of those people who thinks playing Grand Theft Auto is going to make a bunch of kids kill people, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that seeing sexist stereotypes for your whole life is going to give most people sexist ideals, whether consciously or not.
Posted 22 Jul 2009, 7:29 PM
I think Knocked up was more about social status than Seth's character being a fat, ugly bear of a guy.
You can argue that Heigl is hot and Rogen is not, but if you look at the movie, Seth is out matched on almost every level.
He has no cell phone. He has no career... not even a job and is subsisting on $14K and bong smoke. - Not that there is anything wrong with that. His grand internet business scheme has already been done... and he does not even know this.
I think Seth could get a girl like KH, but not if he's a "loser stoner" ... not saying all stoners are losers, but he definitely was at the start of it. I think Bill Gates did pretty good .... prob lots of other 'loser stoners' or fat geeks.
Anyway, I thought that was half the fun of the movie.
Posted 24 Jul 2009, 11:14 AM
Was Bill Gates a "loser stoner"?
Posted 28 Jul 2009, 7:47 AM
The writers on Entourage could be the worst of any major show on TV. The writing is simply horrific and embarassingly bad.
Posted 28 Jul 2009, 8:21 AM
Hey all,
Personally, as a gay man, I think Seth Rogen is very adorable! Very sexy, and that deep voice! I think he's hot, but hey, to each his own, right?
Matt
Posted 29 Jul 2009, 7:01 AM
Of course had it been Katherine Heigl rather than Seth saying anything like that she would have been labelled as humorless, ungrateful, a diva or a bitch.